Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Rome Was Not Built in a Day

There are two ways NFL head coaches and general managers build professional football franchises capable of winning Super Bowls, and patience seems to be the only variable between them. Teams can build for the future to win consistently or mortgage the future to win now. Some teams, such as the Indianapolis Colts and New England Patriots refuse to make large sweeping personnel moves; rather they continuously find value in each free agent signing and draft pick. The Colts or Patriots will never package a heap of draft picks to move up in round one to get that "need to have player" necessary to win a Super Bowl.

On the other hand, some teams cling to hopes of winning a Super Bowl this year and choose to mortgage their future to achieve that end. For example, the Jaguars traded away their first round pick, two thirds, and a fourth-round draft pick to acquire Florida's Derrick Harvey. And, a year after trading their 2008 first-round pick for Brady Quinn, the Browns traded their second and third round picks for Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers, rendering them “pick-less” until round four. Very rarely, if ever, does the decision to mortgage the future not come at too steep a price. Luckily, for Saints fans, the Saints appear to have their future in mind with every move they make. They are building a team in hopes of winning not one Lombardi Trophy, but several.

Although the Giants are the reigning Super Bowl champs, they are not a franchise built for the future. They will not be a dynasty. Teams that are consistently successful (as measured by their ability to compete for Super Bowls) always have two things in common: an elite QB and a consistent top 5 ranking on offense or defense. The two dominant professional football franchises of the new millennium have been the Indianapolis Colts and New England Patriots. The Colts have an elite quarterback in Peyton Manning and have been consistently ranked in the top 5 in total offense for the past several years. The Patriots also have a superstar quarterback in Tom Brady, and last year (in their bid for perfection) were ranked tops in the league in total offense – prior to that, for the past several years, it was their defense that was ranked among the best in the NFL. The dynasties of the 1990’s, the Denver Broncos and Dallas Cowboys, boasted the same. Denver had their elite quarterback in Elway and a top 5 offense (and in 1997, a top 5 defense, too). Dallas had Aikman and a top 5 offense throughout their reign. San Francisco was perhaps the greatest of them all. The '49ers won the Lombardi Trophy five times in the 80's and 90's behind the superior quarterback play of Joe Montana and Steve Young and consistently had offenses or defenses (and sometimes both) ranked in the top 5 of the league.

So if the formula for consistent success is a team with an elite quarterback and a top five ranking on one side of the ball, where do the Saints stack up right now? While Drew Brees may not be in the same category as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, few would argue that he has not been an elite NFL quarterback the past two seasons. Last year he finished behind only Brett Favre and Tom Brady (but ahead of Peyton Manning) in passing yards; and in 2006, he led the entire league. While the Saints no longer boast the Dome Patrol defense, the team has had no issues finding offensive success over the past two seasons. They finished first in the league in total offense in 2006 and fifth in 2005. In common with past NFL dynasties, the Saints have an elite QB and a consistent top-five offense. With Sean Payton calling the plays for a team whose offensive starters average 27 years of age (25 for their three big playmakers, Brees, Colston, and Bush), it's safe to assume that there will be little if any drop-off in total offense over the next several years. The Saints window of opportunity is just beginning to open.

So far, however, even with those pieces, the Saints have failed to make it to the big game, which is less than every one of our division rivals can say. Carolina and Atlanta made the big game in 2004 and 1999 respectively, and Tampa Bay won it in 2003. Unfortunately for those teams it is 2008, and last I checked, Jake Delhomme and Tampa's five QB's (even if you combined their skill-sets) are not elite; and Atlanta will be hard-pressed to finish the season in the top twenty in offense or defense, much less the top five. Also, the once-vaunted defenses of the Panthers and Buccaneers are no longer as dominant. It's not that they are bad; quite frankly they're much better than what the Saints strutted out the past two seasons – but we're looking for top 5, remember. Sure, teams can win a Super Bowl without having an elite QB and top 5 offense or defense – the Giants proved that last year and, as mentioned above, Tampa proved it in '03 -- but they won't do it consistently. Teams need both. If the Baltimore Ravens would have had an elite quarterback to complement one of the best defenses in NFL history we may be talking about them as the great dynasty of the early 2000’s. Too bad Trent Dilfer, Elvis Grbac, Kyle Boller, or Steve McNair didn’t fit the bill as “elite.”

Teams that have the necessary ingredients do not have to make rash personnel decisions in order to remain competitive. They can be more patient. Recently, in negotiating with the New York Giants for tight-end Jeremy Shockey, the Saints proved they are not willing to mortgage their future; rather they exhibited the patience necessary to build a dynasty. The team made a fair offer for the tight end during the draft, but was rebuked. New York, reasonably so, demanded higher compensation than a 2nd and 5th round pick, but the Saints chose not to sweeten their offer. Since then, I have heard such things as "we should trade next year's first round pick for Shockey because we can win with him now, and there is no telling what next years' pick will produce." As for me, I was happy when Loomis didn't allow the Giants to force his hand in overpaying for Shockey, and believe we should not even consider giving up our 2009 first-round pick for him. I was happy when we didn't throw millions at Asante Samuel to lure him to New Orleans (much like the Buccaneers did when they made Jeff Faine the highest paid center in the league). I was happy when we refused to mortgage the farm for Glenn Dorsey (much like the Panthers did when they gave the Eagles a second and fourth-round pick in last month's draft and their first-round pick next year for a player who, by most accounts, was just the fourth or fifth best-rated lineman available – sorry Coach Fox, but Jeff Otah is not going to win Carolina the Lombardi Trophy either).

In the last two cases, teams have made personnel decisions that will put them behind the eight ball for the future all in hopes of competing for the playoffs this season. Why? Carolina and Tampa are not winning the Super Bowl this year. The Saints may not either, but at least we are not paying players and making draft moves that will short-change us for next year… or the year after. While Jacksonville was giving up the farm (four picks) for Derrick Harvey, the Saints gave up one third-rounder for Sedrick Ellis. When Carolina was sending 3 picks to Philly for Jeff Otah, the Saints were sending the Jets a mere fourth-rounder for Jonathan Vilma. While other teams in the NFC South tried desperately to answer all their personnel questions in one off-season, the Saints understood that it is not always prudent or possible to do so. They were content to leave a few needs unanswered when they refused to overpay for a tight-end or a corner back (remind anyone of Belichik?).

I understand that many Saints fans would rather just make the big game like Carolina did in 2004, or Atlanta did in 1999 (or preferably win it like Tampa did in 2003), and could care less about "building a dynasty." But why think small? Please don't buy in to that stupid cliché that states "the future is now!" People who think that way have little foresight. Teams that mortgage their future to win now have an itch and they scratch it. They truly believe that they are only one player away from winning the Super Bowl. But they will wake up to the reality that all they did was cripple their franchise.

As the 2008 season approaches, Saints fans should know that they cheer for a team that is very close to exploding through the weak NFC ranks. They follow an organization that is finally doing it the right way. The men running the show (Loomis and Payton) are building this team for the long haul, not the short. The Saints have their elite quarterback, Drew Brees, and one of the NFL’s top five offenses – and neither appears to be going away any time soon. Those are the two things dynasties are built upon. Rather than selling out for now, our front office is putting in for later. Fans should enjoy the ride – the next five years will be the best Saints history may have to offer.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

other than the home game versus the Falcons....I've never been prouder to be a Saint other than right now.

TRUE TRUE TRUE.

Where did you hear that NY wanted a 2nd and 5th? I had been trying to find out what the offer was?

One thing you didn't happen to point out was the depth we are gaining in almost every position.

Brunell is backing up Brees now. Our lines-defensive especially have great depth. We just lost the highest paid center in the NFL and replaced him with someone that some people are saying could be better than him(at least in certain aspects). and we have TONS of mediocre talent everywhere else.

We have the foundation to start drafting for value, almost no matter what. I'm loving EVERY minute of it and hoping that I will one day frame the pictures of me and my little brother at ages 7 and 4 with the bags that our dad made us put on our heads.

Dream little dreamer dream.

MT said...

I am loving that they are thinking of the future as more then just the end of this regular season. Very well written!

Anonymous said...

I find it ironic that a Saints fan is ignoring the rest of the talent on the team, and hoping beyond all hope that the Panthers are messing up by trading away next year's first round to have a 2nd pick in the first round to pick up one of the top tackles in the best draft for in tackles for 30 years. Even if Otah only plays RT for the next several years, it was still worth it to fix the o-line this season so the Panthers can contend hard for the division. It's okay, I understand you are scared, as every Saints fan should be.

Anonymous said...

The Carolina Panthers are going to win the NFC South and make a lot of noise in the playoffs this season no matter what you Saints fans happen to think. You just don't realize what the John Fox and Marty Hurney have done this offseason to bring us back to being the dominant team in the NFC South. Yes we got the ROY in Jonathan Stewart and a HUGE tackle in Jeff Otah to help Stewart but we also got one of the best LB's in Dan Connor. Our offseason was huge by signing a bunch of offensive lineman that all weigh over 300 pounds and got the best WR in the NFL Steve Smith some much needed help in D.J. Hackett and Muhsin Muhammad. You can talk crap about our D-Line all you want because well I would have to agree that it is nothing close to what it once was but it will work with Julius Peppers coming off his worst season of his career. We have a really good secondary with newly added FS Charles Godfrey alongside Chris Harris who you might remember picking off Drew Brees last season. Oh and you guys keep buying all those Reggie Bush jersey's but why is it that the #2 overall pick in the 2006 NFL draft has worse stats than the 25th overall pick DeAngelo Williams who was stuck behind DeShaun Foster for 2 years? I think Reggie should have more yards considering McCallister went down early in the season last year. But oh well you people keep talking shit about us because WE LOVE IT!!!!!

Anonymous said...

With the Saints LONG history of success in the NFL I can clearly understand...

oh wait.

Panthers made a calculated move for a guy who was in the top 10 of their big board, seems smart to me and I'm not a Panthers fan.

I just think it's superbly funny that the Saints are one of the most unsuccessful franchises in league history- right there with the Cardinals- and have the gall to call out other franchises.

Before the '05 season when's the last time the Saints were relevant? You've finished out of the play offs for the past two seasons and look desperate to address some issues on defense. Now with Duece's knee you can't seriously think that Bush is going to carry the load...do you?

Get a grip, come back to reality- you're still the Saints.

Anonymous said...

Calling Brees a superstar when he's never won anything more than a passing title in an unbalanced offense is kind of a stretch, isn't it? I also wouldn't speak of Bush and Colston in the same breath as James and Harrison. The Saints have a long way to go before they can claim the division crown, even on paper. The last I saw, the Bucs are still the division champs until someone can beat them, and we're more worried about the Panties than the Aints.

Anonymous said...

Carolina is stacked with young talent and has gotten very deep at key positions the last few seasons, especially linebacker and wide receiver. Smith, Hackett, and Muhammad will create at least one or two mismatches against most secondaries. All this talk about mortgaging our future is ridiculous. We traded back into the first round to pick up Otah, effectively canceling out the lost 2009 draft pick. Williams and Stewart make up a very young, talented, hungry backfield.

I'm still laughing at you dopes for signing Dan Morgan, too. You do realize he has never started 16 games in his entire career and has only averaged about 8 starts per season since he came into the league, right?

Section123SaintsFan said...

Julio Franco thinks Mushin Muhammed is washed up.

Anonymous said...

You could have said garcia was too old to be the future and have been objective, instead you decided to anoint brees as elite and diss garcia as not even close. So much effort, but you should be less of a homer if you want anyone other than saints homers to enjoy your article.

Anonymous said...

Lets look at this great offense in 2007. The Saints gained lots of yards but on the stat that matters which is points per game they are tied with Houston for 12th at 23.7 points per game. They were 28th in rushing yards per game and yards per rush. How has that been fixed?
Passing New Orleans was 1st in attempts but 17th in yards per attempt. So they throw alot but have mediocre success. Overall their passing rating was 9th.
Al of this would be fine if their defense wasn't so bad they ranked 25th in points surrendered at 24.2 per game. There is a basis theory in football that you must score more points than you surrender.
To New Orleans credit they did go out and try to get some playmakers on the defensive side, Ellis and Vilma being two of them. If Vilma comes back from his injury that will be great although that 4th rounder could then cost as much as a 1st rounder from what I read. They also went out and tried to improve the secondary in the draft after failing to get several guys in free agency whether by being smart or the player wanted to go elsewhere.
I think the offense will struggle this year as they have failed to find a replacement for Deuce (who will take another year to heal and come all the way back) and we all now know that Bush can't carry the load. If Brees get hurt surely Brunell is not the answer. He showed in Washington that he has little left in an offense that is pass happy and requires a great quarterback. The receiver core outside of Colston is unproven and the line is solid in pass protection but fails to get a push in the rushing game.
The defense will tell the tale like it did last year. If the off season moves pay off the Saints could contend by not having to out score every other team in a shootout. The defensive line will be solid but behind that, there are still a lot of question marks. If the offense can't control the ball, this defense will get worn out. Last year they were 9th in time of possession but may struggle to improve on that. They also have to avoid giving up the long play and improve on a turnover ratio of -9 which was 24th in the league.
Is it possible? Of course it is. But those kind of numbers are hardly the stuff of dynasties. Since the division has been formed the Saints have won it once with a 10-6 record

NolaDome said...

Pre-mature on the Dynasty call..., but we are definitely taking a step in the right direction!

Also the delusional Panther fan is nuts, they are in serious trouble and will battle with Atlanta for the "Fart" of the NFC South.

There O-Line is garbage and they don't have one player on Offense or Defense who is intimidating (Except Steve Smith

Julius Peppers would be motioned, but he has lost his flare for the game. (At least in a Panther's uniform)

Anonymous said...

So Drew Brees is elite, but Steve McNair in his prime was not.

Yeah. Sure.

Anonymous said...

The only thing ever close to a Dynasty in NO's was cancelled on tv back in 1989. Win more than 3 playoff games in 40+ years and then come and talk...

Anonymous said...

The only thing ever close to a Dynasty in NO's was cancelled on tv back in 1989. Win more than 3 playoff games in 40+ years and then come and talk...

Deserved repeating!

Anonymous said...

Since 1995-

Buccaneers 109-99-0 (0.524) Regular Season, 5-6 (0.455) Post Season
Panthers, 97-111-0 (0.466) Regular Season, 6-3 (0.667) Post Season
Falcons 93-114-1 (0.447) Regular Season, 4-4 (0.500) Post Season
Saints 87-121-0 (0.418) Regular Season, 2-2 (0.500) Post Season


That's a dynasty in the making?

Anonymous said...

Wow, please get that saint's dick out of your butt and come back to reality please. You're already talking about a dynasty because of ONE year.

The only thing ever close to a Dynasty in NO's was cancelled on tv back in 1989. Win more than 3 playoff games in 40+ years and then come and talk...

Anonymous said...

The Saints are far from what you are attempting to make them. At this point, they are no different than the 2004 Atlanta Falcons, a team that had one really good season followed by one that failed to live up to expectations. Don't you think it's WAY TOO EARLY to start with dynasty talk?

The Bucs have won 3 division titles since 2002, winning the only Super Bowl they made it to.

The Panthers have won 1 division title and a wild card berth since 2003, appearing in two NFC Championship Games and one Super Bowl. While I don't find it to be a valid excuse, it could be argued that without the injury to Jake Delhomme, the Panthers, very easily, could have won the division last season.

Homerism at its finest.

Anonymous said...

I think the author was saying the Saints have the makings for a great team for the NEXT 5 years, not the LAST 5... Maybe being a Panthers fan and poor reading comprehension just go together.

Anonymous said...

I wish I were a homer, I mean homo from Carolina that spent my days reading about the Saints on the internet because I could no longer handle the pain of cheering for the most feminine franchise in NFL history. And you're right, Delhomme is a solid 2nd string QB, but keep him. We were sick of his whiny ass constantly crying to refs every time he couldn't complete a pass.

Anonymous said...

I wish I was a homer, I mean homo, I mean transvestite, I mean child molester, I mean Saints fan that spent my days talking about how my favorite team, one of the worst in the history of the NFL, has the makings of a dynasty after one decent season two years ago.

No matter what you have to say about Delhomme or our team, the Saints are even less because they haven't done half of what we've done in the forty years they've been around. Keep saying that Delhomme is a limp-wristed homo, all he has is a 6-2 record over your pathetic franchise as a starter.

Anonymous said...

You're right dush, that win at the end of the season in '06 was really impressive. Better count that one in the W column. Stop bitching about what has, or what you think has happened in the past. Get over it. Your entire fanbase has realized that John Fox is a clown, and that the only thing he can do well consistently is chew gum. Surprised he didn't draft another criminal from USC this year?
By the way, is Chris Weinke still on your roster, ass bag?

RedDodgeCharger said...

All of you Carolina fans need a little less talk and alot more shut-the-hell-up. Are you guys insane?

As this article says, that Saints are pointed in the correct direction for a few years of success. You recently drafted Jonathan Stewart, who is a good player. But by drafting Stewart, John Fox is basically saying that he completely screwed up 2 years ago by drafting DeAngelo WIlliams. Good pick there...DeAngelo couldn't even crack the starting lineup with DeShaun Foster ahead of him.

Then you trade the house for Jeff Otah...who? Who the hell said he was a top 10 pick? He was about the 5th best tackle in the draft. ANd you're right, he's not going to win you a superbowl. He better get use to the numbers 91 and 94 eating his lunch all day long.

Next, you brouhg tin Mushin Muhammad, who went to the Pro Bowl 3 years ago for you guys. He's now 3 years older and will not produce nearly the same as he did when he was younger. You better go get your VCR our and watch that tape of Muhammad in the Pro Bowl because you're not going to be seeing it again this year.

DJ Hackett sucks...and won't do much. No argument here from anyone.

You QB is coming off of an injury season and John Fox hasn't even addressed this concern. If Delhomme goes down, who are you going to put in? Chris Weinke? He's older than my dad.

So where are your points? Carolina has probably gotten older on average...this isn't the Wheelchair NFL league you know.

You guys will finish 7-9. You guys are idiots

Anonymous said...

6-2, 5-2, what difference does it make. Delhomme owns your terrible franchise.

Only the idiots in our fanbase want to dump Fox. Coincidentally, they're the same morons who think we're going to draft a QB every year and want us to trade up so we can draft a useless, overpaid future failure like Reggie Bust.

Again, a Saints fan talking about consistency and winning as if they know anything about it. Sad, really. Enjoy Dan "Injured Reserve" Morgan, failures.

Yeah, I should stop talking about the past and tangible things that inconveniently contradict your warped view of the Saints. I should just predict the future like all the other geniuses in here.

Anonymous said...

RedDodgeCharger, thank you for confirming my beliefs that most Saints fans belong in straitjackets.

Chris Weinke isn't even on our roster anymore, you dolt. Matt Moore is backing up Delhomme, and he started three games last year winning two of them.

I don't know, who the hell said Otah was a top ten pick? We took him at 19, so certainly not us. All we gave up was a second and a forth since we traded back in to the first round, effectively canceling out the lost '09 pick.

Also, thank you for your useless input about DeAngelo Williams, thus confirming what I knew the minute I started reading your post: that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Williams and Stewart are two completely different backs who complement each other well. It's my no means an admission that Fox screwed up, and that ridiculous bullshit assertion is your's alone.

As for Carolina getting older, wrong again. We're stacked with young talent at many positions, especially defense. I guess since they're not selling Pepsi or Visa check cards on national TV you have no idea about them, though.

Anonymous said...

DJ Hackett? Who the hell is DJ Hackett?

The Panthers second best receiver is an ESPN commentator. 5 Jeff Otah's aren't going to get Carolina's "offense" moving

Anonymous said...

Stacked with young talent at many positions?
Are those the same young, talented players that performed so well for the gay blue and black last year? The only sign of improvement is Stewart, a guy yet to play a down in the NFL.
Keep cring about Dan Morgan too. We got him for $5 and a stick of gum. And try not to forget that after your sterling 1 and 15 season, he was the centerpiece of the 2nd rated defense that led you jerkoffs out of the cellar. That's what I love about panties fans, you always hate what you don't have - most notable, an unembarassing football program. Stick with Nascar.

Anonymous said...

The blind homerism represented here by the Saints is by far the worst I've seen from any fan base.

A lot of hate, and a lot of fear.

JustaCoastie said...

That's it Carolina fans, hide behind the "anonymous said" sign on. That way you can spew dumb comments and not get called-out on it after the Saints kick the crap out the Panthers ...twice... during the up coming season. Hiding that way is what we in the business call being... Cowards.

signed
JustaCoastie
(non-Coward)

Anonymous said...

I'm not exactly sure what the Wheelchair NFL is supposed to be, but I am sure Deuce McAllister, Dan Morgan and Jon Vilma will be 3 of its biggest stars.

Anonymous said...

Face it. Fox and Gruden had to give it all up for a shot at this season, cause without winning this year, and winning big, they will both be gone come 2009.
So go get on your Panthers message boards and start trying to figure out who your next coach should be. Maybe Petrino will be available again, that could work. The search will likely begin in mid November when you're 2 and 7 and the playoff hopes are a distant memory, so better get started.

Anonymous said...

"The search will likely begin in mid November when you're 2 and 7 and the playoff hopes are a distant memory, so better get started."

Hmmm..I think I remember a certain team in 2004 going a 1-6 record and turn it around and be a field goal away from the playoffs. Please remember this is the NFC where an 8-8 record team can be a playoff team.

Anonymous said...

Who was it that beat you in that pivotal game??? At Carolina, Champion.
And you said it yourself, a field goal AWAY from the plaintiffs. In other words, not in the playoffs. In other words, looking for a new coach.

Anonymous said...

JustaCoastie ~ that certainly isn't your real name. So I guess that does make you nothing but a coward. lol

carolinahuddle.com

you wanna talk out of your butt, show up with your buddies.

James

Anonymous said...

Stacked with young talent at many positions?
Are those the same young, talented players that performed so well for the gay blue and black last year? The only sign of improvement is Stewart, a guy yet to play a down in the NFL.
Keep cring about Dan Morgan too. We got him for $5 and a stick of gum. And try not to forget that after your sterling 1 and 15 season, he was the centerpiece of the 2nd rated defense that led you jerkoffs out of the cellar. That's what I love about panties fans, you always hate what you don't have - most notable, an unembarassing football program. Stick with Nascar.


I don't know what the fuck you've been snorting tonight, but there is something fundamentally wrong with a Saints fan talking about another NFL franchise being embarrassing. Anything you can accuse us of, you've done worse.

Jon Beason performed excellently, he broke Danno's franchise record for tackles and was a better starter at MLB than he was. Chris Harris forced 8 fumbles, a record for a DB in the modern NFL. Gamble shut down his side of the field, Thomas Davis recorded half of his career sacks, and Diggs was solid. So what did we do? We went out and got the leading tackler (Landon Johnson) from the Bengals and drafted Connor, one of the better LBs in the draft. Jake Delhomme had a 111.8 passer rating and threw 8 TDs to 1 int in his three starts. David Carr's fruity ass even won one start, and guess who it was against? That's right, your Aints. Morgan sucks because he's an injury liability, and we've long since learned that Morgan is only as good as his backup.

Just unbelievable. The Saints make the playoffs for the first time since Jesus walked the earth, and suddenly their fans know what it takes to build not only a consistent winner, but a dynasty.

And I agree, CarolinaHuddle.com. All of you white flag waving French hardasses can come talk to us there, because I'm sick of this crappy clusterfuck of an interface.

Anonymous said...

Jake sucks huh? So how come when he was on the bench for yall's Aints, the crowd was chanting "We want Jake"? And how is Brees a elite quarterback? Elite quarterbacks not only pass well, but they also WIN games. This cannot be said of Brees. The Panthers had the same record as the Aints with four different quarterbacks starting. One being old Testaverde, another sorry David Carr, Delhomme for only THREE games, and a rookie. Brees started all year for yall, but only won seven games. That is pretty sad. As for age, the Panthers are becoming one of the younger teams in the league. If Delhomme comes back, no way yall offense can even compete. Steve Smith will embarrass yall corners for 60 minutes. On defense, Bush will consistently get stuck at the line. Brees will attempt to pass and consistently get picked off by our secondary. Marshall, our THIRD STRING corner, is about as good as both of yall starting corners.

Anonymous said...

Oh please thy carolina geniouses, tell me how you gain such spectactular knowledge of football. I will never again doubt your intellect. We should have never cheered for Jake when he was on the bench. We should have instead realized that Aaron Brooks was our savior and insisted that he continue to start. You are truly a pigskin genious.

With respect,
Dumb Saints Fan and injured homer,
Dan Morgan.

Anonymous said...

Do these morons really believe theselves. They rationalize their decision to give away next year's top 5 pick for Otah. Does anyone else think this guy is worth a top 5 pick? Then there are those that are still beating off to Mushin's pro-bowl season 3 years ago. I want to resign Joe Horn. He made the pro bowl and I still have a boner about that.

Anonymous said...

Wait do the Saints have a running back next year or are they waiting for Jason Taylor to dance piss poor so Reggie can tap dance behind a line for a loss another season. Oh God you got a real stud back in him. hahahahhahahahahahahaa. Wait he might get 30 yards this week. nope hahahhahahaahahha losers! Now I believe he will lead the league in negative palys from scrimmage. Jarret>Bush on the douchebag scale. Nice job!

Anonymous said...

You Carolina fans are insane, Saints are going to roll next season. Reggie Bush is ready to break out-did you see how fast he cashed that check from PepsiCo? Ridiculous, must have been a 4.21 at worst. He almost fumbled when he took the handoff from Visa, but he ended up taking it all the way to the house.

Anonymous said...

If I can return some civility to the conversation, How about a comparison of Delhomme, Garcia, and Brees where it counts--in the playoffs?

Jake Delhomme: 5-2, 113/19 11TDs 5 INTs, 8.6 YPA, 95.0 Rating
Drew Brees: 1-2, 78/123 5 TDs 2 INTs 7.4 YPA, 92.7 Rating
Jeff Garcia: 2-4, 126/217 7TDs 7 INTs 73.8 Rating

I know Delhomme sat on the bench in New Orleans, but that was a mistake of the prior staff down there. The fact that he's made the pro-bowl puts the lie to the idea he isn't a legitimate player.

As far as an elite QB, Brees is no doubt good but I don't think he's ready for that category. He throws for a lot of yards, but any QB who throws 37 times a game will get a lot, and he's only averaging 7.3 yards per attempt with a lifetime rating of 87.9. Contrast that with Delhomme (30 attempts per game, 7.4 yards per attempt, lifetime rating 85.2) and Garcia (29 attempts per game, 7.5 yards per attempt, 87.2 lifetime rating), and a picture appears that could paint Brees as a good system QB, but a system QB nonetheless. That doesn't spell elite to many people.

I'm not ready to suggest that Garcia or Delhomme are elite either, but they're certainly not as far behind Brees as the article writer is suggesting.

This year the division is going to be won by whichever of these three teams stays the healthiest.

Anonymous said...

Cyberjag...

You don't think the Falcons have a chance?

Anonymous said...

"Who was it that beat you in that pivotal game??? At Carolina, Champion.
And you said it yourself, a field goal AWAY from the plaintiffs. In other words, not in the playoffs. In other words, looking for a new coach."

Your right, the Panthers DIDN'T make the playoffs, but that wasn't my point. My point was that even a team that has a 1-7 record can make a comeback mid season and give a fighting chance to make the playoffs. The poster I replied to first stated that "The search will likely begin in mid November when you're 2 and 7 and the playoff hopes are a distant memory". If I recall a 7-9 record in the NFC is not "distant" from the playoffs at all.

Anonymous said...

That's a really great point above (anonymous delusional panthers fan). Have any of you actually stepped up to take the wager? Please publish this info whodatsay....

Anonymous said...

THIS BLOG IS VERY DILUSIONAL, THE SAINTS HAVE ONLY ONE FLUKE SEASON INSPIRED BY KATRINA AND THEIR FANS THINK THEY ARE A DINASTY....... COME ON YOU DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS........
WELL LET US HOPE THEY WILL NOT HAVE A HARD AWAKE AFTER THE SEASON.

THE TRUTH IS THAT ALL OF THE NFC SOUTH TEAMS SUCK AND ANY CAN WIN THE DIVISION.

Anonymous said...

Wave goodbye to Dan Morgan, Saints homers.